Echo Echo...Have you seen George Washington?  George are you out there? Please say you are. Please get here quick... 

People I fear we have really bad choices coming up in the days ahead...Again, I know some people are not going to like my opinion I am about to say but this is why I love our free speech and the ability to debate. Because I don't think we are doing enough of it in our conservaive circle. I still think we are taking our leads from our favorite media personalities or some of our conservative leaders like Rush Limbaugh instead of thinking for ourselves and using our moral meter as well as our common sense. We are too eager to just hop on with the conservative candidate du jour without really investigating them as a potential leader. It is almost like whoever has the best debate performance automatically becomes the one everyone wants to hop on the train with. How about researching their past people? You could spend weeks and dozens of Vomit buckets with Newt alone.(See Global warming videos with Al Gore)

So count me as one person who officially has hopped off the Herman Cain train. Actually as you can see from my other blogs, I never actually got on. I warned my fellow patriots before. I saw people zealously get on the Rick Perry bus and then jump off for their lives. I saw people again jump on the Cain train without him ever really being vetted or researched? Kind of like people did with Obama...Why? Why aren’t we doing our research patriots? Above all we must look at these candidates with Moral fiber at the very top of that scale. Which includes honesty. Is this potential leader a liar or not? There was something I was wary about Mr. Cain from the start. Mostly it was because I thought he was dishonest in how he spoke to Ron Paul when Paul challenged him on the Federal Reserve Audit stance. He strikes me as the same type of snake oil salesman that we have seen for far too long here in our nation’s capital. The 9-9-9 plan seems like a good one on the surface so long as we kept it at a flat 9%. But somehow with the Pork filled congress I can just see that 9% income tax creeping back up to the 20%’s and now we would also have a value added tax on goods as well. It is a good concept. I like it but until we clean out the pork I don’t trust it is going to work. 

Then he said he would choose Henry Kissinger as his Secretary of state. Seriously Herman?  The same secretary of state that oversaw Vietnam and was side by side with one of the most corrupt presidents ever? Yes Obama makes Nixon look like Bambi comparably but still I was seriously perplexed on this one. Kissinger has been a HUGE trumpeter of a New World order, One world currency type of thought that makes my stomach turn. Cain really lost me on that one. If he was tired and spoke out of exhaustion well being a president is exhausting so that doesn’t make me feel better either Mr. Cain.

Now we have all of these purported affairs. Maybe they are a hit on Cain from the rabid left. But still there is enough there that makes me question his moral aptitude. Glenn Beck was just on radio questioning and saying the same thing so I know others are thinking like me.

Fellow Patriots, I understand that we need to get Obama out of there. But that does not mean we need to settle. That does not mean that we can greet the same demons at the door because they are slightly better than the Demon we know. We need to hold ourselves and our country to a higher standard. Do you honestly think things would have been much better with John McCain if he won? I voted for John McCain, but I did so with a little bit of vomit in my mouth. The choice we had seemed like a punch in the face or a kick to the groin. Pick your poison. McCain by the way was a punch to the face. So now we are hearing that Newt is the front runner and I am hearing conservatives like Sarah Palin thinking of getting behind him? Seriously Sarah?  Seriously people? This is the same guy who criticized Paul Ryan and his plan to seriously cut the budget. Even more sickening this was the same guy who shared the platform with Al Gore to fight Global Warming and the fact that we are evil carbon emitters. Hey Newt what do trees need again to survive? Oh ya that’s right CO2. Take your garbage and shove it Newt. Talk about a flip flopper? Newt has flip flopped so many times I can’t tell if he is a dolphin or person anymore.

Folks I hate to break it to you but we are in serious trouble. We have failed big time in bringing to the table someone who accurately stands for all that the tea party stood for in the very beginning. Go back to where your head was at back then. It was only 3 or 4 years ago. Remember, Nancy Pelosi’s congress? Remember how we wanted our politicians to hold themselves to a higher moral standard? To have moral fiber? Remember No more bailouts, No more taxes including new ones. Remember stop the out of control Federal Reserve who is printing our way to destruction ie. Germany circa 1930. Glenn Beck just wrote a book called to be George Washington. I suggest you all read it. Compare George to any choice we have in the field right now and it is embarrassing how much he destroys them in every aspect. Think of everything else that is going on around us. We are on the edge of a lost society who has lost their moral compass. People pepper spraying each other to get a friggin waffle maker! Coaches who are pedophiles at major universities, and worse yet, those universities covering it up for the betterment of the university or to protect the firm. So in other words the party is more important than the person. Sound familiar? Sound like the Republican party the last oh 2 decades since Reagan? Remember “Oh I know George Bush isn’t perfect but he is better than Kerry or Gore” Remember Oh I know McCain is a progressive but Obama is a communist” True Obama is! But things would be worse right now if McCain got in, because I don’t think nearly as many people would have woken up from their deep zombie sleep of just how bad things are. If Ron Paul had a better foreign policy and I would feel safe about how to defeat our enemies abroad then he would be a no brainer choice for me. Because no one has it more right on the enemy within! No one has a better grasp on the Federal Reserve and how we need to embrace free market capitalism and get away from Crony capitalism that has been rampant for a long time. Yes even under George Bush. Sadly his stance on Israel and Iran and radical Islam are wrong in my opinion. Which is a big one for me. On the other hand other people I really respect like Judge Napolitano are getting behind him. No one knows the constitution better in my opinion than the judge. But still I can’t abandon Israel no matter what. So sadly there is no one I can really get behind right now. It makes me ill actually.

The bottom line Patriots is I think we are really in trouble. We are not being given a choice at all. There will be no more Freedom or Liberty with Newt Gingrich. I won’t feel warm and fuzzy with Cain as our leader knowing that there is a chance I can’t trust him. The world is on the edge of financial collapse I think by design. The world is a scary place right now. America needs to be America more than ever. And I am not talking about being the world’s policeman. I am talking about standing for Freedom and Liberty. I am talking about protecting and adhering to our beautiful document the constitution. Our forefathers created it for a reason. They left us with so many wise lessons because they knew this day would come. They gave us the cliff notes but we are still too asleep to recognize what is happening. We aren’t being given choices right now folks…So I ask you Patriots again like I have in other blogs.  Where is George Washington?

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Comment by Chris Ross on December 6, 2011 at 2:57pm

That was funny the Volvo with a gun rack statement! Yes I have read Creature of Jekyl Island. Please read it. It is a must read when investigating the Fed and the role of Banking Elites in the world. i was very upset at Glenn Beck who had the Author on a few years ago and he kept agreeing with him but diminishing what he had to say in bill O Reilly fashion saying ya but it isnt as bad as you say and the Author was like no It really is Glenn. LoL

Comment by Larry Bethea on December 6, 2011 at 2:51pm

"Compassion Conservative" (Volvo  with a gun rack)  Way to funny, I'm sure glad I wasn't sipping coffee when I read that.

The history of banking goes all the back before biblical times, yet we still have the same problems with the same results over and over again.  Yea Jefferson had a big falling out with Washington over the National Bank issue, John Adams too.  Jefferson has been proven 3 times in this Country alone correct!  His Solution has never been tried, but first lets move the Treasury Department under the wings of Congress.  Constitutionally that is where it belongs!

Good Stuff here, thanks Big Dawg for history refresher.  I was wondering if anyone has read a book called, "The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve"?   I have not read it but it's on my list.  Barry Goldwater Conservatives and Libertarians along with Ron Paul fans have all suggested this book to me.

I'm reading a book now, but it's a slow read, one of those books that, well I promised the Knight I would read it!  I've had it for some time, the Knight has since passed away but I still want to read it cover to cover.  I've started it and put it down to many times now.  The title of this difficult read is "Nobility and Analogous Traditional Elites in the Allucutions of Pius XII".  Let me say it this way, Pius XII writes with great detail and fluff.

Culture Warriors United!!


Brigade
Comment by Chris Ross on December 6, 2011 at 1:35pm

I am pretty psyched that this Blog created alot of great insight among all of the patrots on here. Like Big Dawg said we are conservatives that are coming in from different music Genres and it is sort of like me trying to convince someone that Rock and Roll is better than Jazz or the Blues.


Brigade
Comment by Chris Ross on December 6, 2011 at 1:31pm

Larry you are spot on my friend and Big Dawg that was a good summary of how the first second and Fed banks were formed. They Key point to me though is that Jefferson and Andrew Jackson fought them with all of their might and we were succesful not having the same families who control the bank of England, Germany etc and down the line controlling the United States Monetary policy.I agree with Larry, Thomas Jefferson and others that Congress should be the issuer of our currency. I understand the hesitation when people like Pelosi, Frank etc are in Congress. But with people like Ron Paul there would be way more transparency on what was going on with our dollar and bailouts etc. then what we get with the fed. It took putting the Fed through the ringer just to eventually find out after Bernanke initially said no way that our tax dollars were going to European banks. And as you can see all that bailout money didn't solve the world debt crisis. The sins of the Fed and other central banks of the world are all coming to roost right now. WE have already reached terminal velocity and it is too late to stop the free falling world meltdown. They are only trying to slow it down. Like putting a bandaid on the hoover damn. Here is where I go a little conspiracy theory on you. I think the Fed and Other central banks are all complicit and making this happen in an effort to collapse the system and replace it with a one world currency and probably one world governance. The policticians for the most part that are loyal to the Fed always seem to favor this system as well whether establishment Republican or Democrat. The politicians complicit always favor Carbon taxes and other world taxes to help get the world to where they want it to be. They are easy to spot in my opinion. I share the same exact sentiment as Larry here. I didn't like how Cain handled the Fed Reserve questions either. I have heard him on tape on a radio show literally saying he didn't think the Fed should be audited. I know he was saying that the fed already is audited in many different ways and we dont need any new audits. My quesdtion to Mr Cain and anyone else is then why didn't congress know that bailout money was going to European central banks. It is clear that secrative things go on with the fed. So Mr. Cain is wrong on that front. There are many secrative things that go on with Fed Policy. Yet here he is on the radio saying it. Also in the debate with Ron Paul he says I respect Alan Greenspan because when I worked at the Fed I thought he was making the right policies. Really, So creating the internet bubble which was the blueprint to the housing bubbles and now all other bubbles is the right policy. These controlled low interest rates is exactly Crony capitlism and not free market capitilism. By doing this the free market is not dictating what your currency is. THe Federal Reserve controlls that. If he had told Dr Paul. I know there have been a lot of mistakes the Federal Reserve made including major ones from Alan Greenspan believe me I know because I was there I wouldn't consider him a fed reserve insider. But him aligning Greenspan proves that he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhen9QiYai8 I also agree with Larry that 9-9-9 would have turned into 19-19-19 within years. Probably when they would admit that social security was no longer solvent and we have to do something. Back in Wilson's presidency it was we are only going to keep the income tax for a short while. Then WW1 and WW2 happened, The cold war etc. There is always an excuse to mandate we keep taxes. I am with you Larry in  what you would do but those theories are still considered crazy today unfirtuantely


Czar
Comment by BigDawg Music Mafia on December 6, 2011 at 1:26pm

 I take nothing personal Larry. It's all good my friend. I am not trying to change your mind just tossing out facts as I know them.  For the record   I can have a knock down, drag out fight,with folks about politics  and  grab a beer with you when it's over... lol I'm grown.

  I've  been  fascinated with   politics for many moon,and can't stand folks that jump on bandwagons, because it's  the flavor of the moment, so I relate to ya there. I do not discuss issues with the purpose of changing anyones  view.  However, I will put in my two cents if the mood catches me and I see mis-statements passed off as facts. 

Just so ya know.... I do not agree with Mr Cain  100% on many things 9 9 9 was one  of them.  I'm  for the flat tax,but at least Mr Cain   had a plan,to stop the bleeding, and  it was a step in the right direction ,and I believe  it did abolish IRS as we know it.

 I have been a Cain supporter since he smacked down Mr Clinton when he tried to force his  Hilary care on us in the 90s'  Cain also  ran for office in 2000 for a bit, and endorsed Steve Forbes in the end. We all know how that turned out  Mr. Bush got the nomination  The GOP shoved him down our throats as well as a  "Compassion Conservative" (Volvo  with a gun rack).

I am sitting here in  utter disgust,as I think about   how our  Presidential Candidates are selected.
WE THE   People will have to hold our noses Yet, again because  of the  lies and smears from the  Media and GOP attack machine, on our Conservative candidates. Wondering  when will  we will all say, ENOUGH is ENOUGH, and stand behind  strong Conservatives, warts and all, and not those that will say anything to get elected!

 

Comment by Larry Bethea on December 6, 2011 at 12:21pm

Hey Big Dawg I agree with most of what your saying but being Chairman, not to mention Director of the Federal Reserve of KC, is being part of the Federal Reserve and the Banking Industry.  I understand how his roles were part-time and such, no you are correct he wasn't working in a full time capacity with the Fed.   I respect your opinion but don't share it here. 

As for my comment, "provides opportunities, privileges, and access..."  I was explaining the yellow flag.  BTW the yellow flag in NASCAR means "warning".  You see Romney, Newt, and Huntsman I have black flagged.  Black flag means STOP don't continue!  :^) 

I've been around DC a very long time, titles and positions mean so much to so many people in Political and Business Circles inside the Beltway.  Is outside the beltway any different?  I think not for access is a key to "network" and networking is king.  Please take none of this as a negative directly on Herman Cain because I truly don't know him well enough to judge his heart.    I'm slow on that and tend to give folks the benefit of a doubt until I'm sure one way or another.  If Herman Cain took the Job at the Federal Reserve to provide a service to his community and Country, good for him.  If he took the Job for networking gains that isn't bad in its self either.  If he was inside the Fed and saw illegal actions and failed to report it, that is bad.  To my knowledge there has not been a hint of scandal that's even been rumored concerning his Service at the Fed!   Still his brushing off fed questions then when more folks asked he finally made light of his work there, that didn't seem right with the salaries Boards of Directors make not to mention Chairman.  His 9-9-9 didn't help me in fact it turned me off but I'm weird I want to abolish the 16th Amendment and IRS.  I could see 19-19-19 20 years from now!  

Since Cain's election is a mute point at this time, I'm just sharing my thoughts and principles here.

BTW When it comes to politics I've been wrong lots of times, partly because I believed the media or candidate.  Because of that I'm very slow to jump onto a bandwagon, while I'm on it I'm still second guessing the Candidate and myself.  

 

 


Czar
Comment by BigDawg Music Mafia on December 6, 2011 at 9:29am

Larry- Cain was Class C   as  Chairman of Board of Directors  He has nothing to do with the  FED Bank itself, he was a chairman on the board.  ALL the  board members  gave  the Fed economic advice.

None of the Board members   are allowed to be part of the FED banking system.  A  Class C means  He  was a business man that had fantastic leadership abilities, and  gave advice to the FED...they could take it or leave it.

 As far  "provides opportunities, privileges, and access..."

 Cain did not seek out the job  a "board of directors of the  Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City"

He was asked to be part of it  because of his leadership skills.

 Every job on the face of the planet comes with some kind of perks

I'm not sure where you are going with that one. 


Czar
Comment by BigDawg Music Mafia on December 6, 2011 at 9:16am

Creation of First and Second Central Bank

The first U.S. institution with central banking responsibilities was the First Bank of the United States, chartered by Congress and signed into law by PresidentGeorge Washington on February 25, 1791 at the urging of Alexander Hamilton. This was done despite strong opposition from Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, among numerous others. The charter was for twenty years and expired in 1811 under President Madison, because Congress refused to renew it.[21]

In 1816, however, Madison revived it in the form of the Second Bank of the United States. Years later, early renewal of the bank's charter became the primary issue in the reelection of President Andrew Jackson. After Jackson, who was opposed to the central bank, was reelected, he pulled the government's funds out of the bank. Nicholas Biddle, President of the Second Bank of the United States, responded by contracting the money supply to pressure Jackson to renew the bank's charter forcing the country into a recession, which the bank blamed on Jackson's policies. Interestingly, Jackson is the only President to completely pay off the national debt. The bank's charter was not renewed in 1836. From 1837 to 1862, in the Free Banking Era there was no formal central bank. From 1862 to 1913, a system of national banks was instituted by the 1863 National Banking Act. A series of bank panics, in 18731893, and 1907, provided strong demand for the creation of a centralized banking system.

Creation of Third Central Bank

The main motivation for the third central banking system came from the Panic of 1907, which caused renewed demands for banking and currency reform.[22]During the last quarter of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century the United States economy went through a series of financial panics.[23]According to many economists, the previous national banking system had two main weaknesses: an inelastic currency and a lack of liquidity.[23] In 1908, Congress enacted the Aldrich-Vreeland Act, which provided for an emergency currency and established the National Monetary Commission to study banking and currency reform.[24] The National Monetary Commission returned with recommendations which later became the basis of the Federal Reserve Act, passed in 1913.

Federal Reserve Act

The head of the bipartisan National Monetary Commission was financial expert and SenateRepublican leader Nelson Aldrich. Aldrich set up two commissions—one to study the American monetary system in depth and the other, headed by Aldrich himself, to study the European central banking systems and report on them.[24] Aldrich went to Europe opposed to centralized banking, but after viewing Germany's monetary system he came away believing that a centralized bank was better than the government-issued bond system that he had previously supported.

In early November 1910, Aldrich met with five well known members of the New York banking community to devise a central banking bill. Paul Warburg, an attendee of the meeting and long time advocate of central banking in the U.S., later wrote that Aldrich was "bewildered at all that he had absorbed abroad and he was faced with the difficult task of writing a highly technical bill while being harassed by the daily grind of his parliamentary duties".[25] After ten days of deliberation, the bill, which would later be referred to as the "Aldrich Plan", was agreed upon. It had several key components, including a central bank with a Washington-based headquarters and fifteen branches located throughout the U.S. in geographically strategic locations, and a uniform elastic currency based on gold and commercial paper. Aldrich believed a central banking system with no political involvement was best, but was convinced by Warburg that a plan with no public control was not politically feasible.[25] The compromise involved representation of the public sector on the Board of Directors.[26]

Aldrich's bill met much opposition from politicians. Critics were suspicious of a central bank, and charged Aldrich of being biased due to his close ties to wealthy bankers such as J. P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller, Jr., Aldrich's son-in-law. Most Republicans favored the Aldrich Plan,[26] but it lacked enough support in Congress to pass because rural and western states viewed it as favoring the "eastern establishment".[2] In contrast, progressive Democrats favored a reserve system owned and operated by the government; they believed that public ownership of the central bank would end Wall Street's control of the American currency supply.[26]Conservative Democrats fought for a privately owned, yet decentralized, reserve system, which would still be free of Wall Street's control.[26]

The original Aldrich Plan was dealt a fatal blow in 1912, when Democrats won the White House and Congress.[25] Nonetheless, President Woodrow Wilsonbelieved that the Aldrich plan would suffice with a few modifications. The plan became the basis for the Federal Reserve Act, which was proposed by SenatorRobert Owen in May 1913. The primary difference between the two bills was the transfer of control of the Board of Directors (called the Federal Open Market Committee in the Federal Reserve Act) to the government.[2][21] The bill passed Congress on December 23, 1913,[27][28] on a mostly partisan basis, with most Democrats voting "yea" and most Republicans voting "nay".[21]

Comment by Larry Bethea on December 6, 2011 at 8:51am

My Uncle Bill always comes through for a laugh!  Check this out...

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DEAR SAM:

"Register as a Republican, and run for public office."

Abby

Comment by Larry Bethea on December 6, 2011 at 8:38am

Concerning the Federal Reserve, I agree the ultimate responsibility lays at the feet of Congress. 

I also agree there were multiple audits going on which are required by law and treaty.   In banking, audits are part of the business, it's a fact of a bankers life.  From the bank teller which audits the receipts everyday, all the way up to the CFO, audits are a daily chore, like milking a cow to a Farmer.  These audits being done within the Federal Reserve was not the entire story.  That was the problem. 

We now know some foreign loans were made which had no Congressional Oversight!  Now as Big Dawg states, most likely Herman Cain wasn't around when these events unfold and even if he was these loans were going on at the Board of Governors level of the Fed. 

Still I remember how so positive they were to know, without a doubt that George W Bush was stupid.  Oh he survived flying one poorly designed fighter jet but was stupid none the less.

As for Cain's title, he was a Director then became Chairman.  How do I say this, every organization I worked within had key folks that learned the "rules", the "game", the "inter politics" and got things done.  They were the goto folks.  There we those you just needed a signature from, they didn't want a briefing, just wake them up to sign.  So now I'm thinking Cain was a signature at the Federal Reserve. 

BTW

"Mr Cain was  NEVER part of the FED" If you wrote Mr.  McCain was... but seriously Cain was part of the Federal Reserve, he served as Chairman of the F. R. 5th or 6th District.  His level and scope of his part time work still provides opportunities, privileges, and access to people where mere mortals would rarely enjoy, lets be real! 

On the other hand the accusers against Cain, the first one I laughed at, second one too.  At least that woman came out; then when I heard her story I'm thinking OMG that's flirting, nothing more.  Then the third woman, all this seemed staged!  Yet something stuck and I'm not even sure if it was any of the three women, a phone call could have done it.

I don't know what to replace the Federal Reserve with, so at this point I would rather reform the Federal Reserve and place more direct accountability towards Congress.

BTW don't be surprised to find the next "George Washington" hails from Virginia again!  Cucch!

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